Interesting - Churchill the racist - obligatory these days; Hitler the decent chap with the short circuit - might have been your uncle who talks to Begonias;
France muddling through in spite being done dirt by Belgium and Britain; and nefarious America. Wilson the idealistic idiot, Roosevelt the idealogue.
Mussolini, the honorable Mafioso; poor little Japan, slighted by her main ally - perfidious Albion. Left alone in the world, with nowhere to go, she goes to
China, and there lies her undoing. And Stalin . . . the REAL winner of WW Twice!
Bucky Buchanan's "Churchill, et al"
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I have very little time for the Ozzie demonization of Churchill. In many ways, in retrospect, he made bad decisions. But, in difficult circumstances, he was
more right than wrong.
Wilson was a fool. Hitler and Stalin both deserve all opprobrium. Mussolini is a bit of a puzzle to me, and similarly Franco, both were slagged in my history lessons, yet neither seem especially better or worse than their opponents. But I don't hold strong opinions on those two. |
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If they can't hang something - however gossamer the web - they just lie. Washington, Jefferson, Lee and Grant, and everyone from Betsy Ross to Billy be
Damned is fair game for the slagistas. When the truth comes out, they just mush on and produce more bilge and so, the Unwashed Masses never notice.
Meanwhile we must be nice to our former Red Army Brigade terrs, and the Weathermen, and all that twaddle - On a happier note, Buchanan did have good words to say about your Billy Hughes. Churchill was really running two and a half empires and a rather large war - the wonder is that he didn't faux up more than occasionally. Roosevelt, the cunning dog, was a rather poor administrator and a middling executive. He really didn't do much good for the USA in retrospect, though he's deified here. Churchill played him like a Viol leading him into the Fifty Destroyer deal, the Lend Lease arrangement, and so on. There's a book called, IIRC, The Churchill - Roosevelt Correspondence, The Private Papers, which shows how the PM brought up an idea, reinforced the thought, made the suggestion, and even offered advice on the phrasing of the sales pitch. All that and having to keep one eye on the French out in the world. I think I'll read more on Mussolini . . . I started Ciano's Diaries but the pup finished them before I did. Anyway, Moose may have been more misunderstood than malignant. Good old Italy, famous for operas with lots of music, intrigue, flash and color, but all of it in some incomprehensible warbling language . . . how could she not have had an affair with Il Duce? |
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I can't really hold my end up in these history chats anymore but if you fellas want to enlarge on your views, I'll be a happy audience. :-)
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